Author Topic: Armstrong off road! (Read 9600 times)

pedro · « **Reply #30 on:** July 22, 2003, 12:44:16 pm »

Waiting for armstrong may have hurt Ullrich time wise, but sure help him to be more respected and admired by us fans. The way Lance rode he may have won the stage wether his competitors waited for him or not. One of his teammates was there and helped him catch back up. Tomorrow, wednesday, should also be a battle filled stage.

jimbo · « **Reply #31 on:** July 22, 2003, 04:42:46 pm »

Some of the things about road cycling are the unspoken rules and repect the riders have for each other.

This is one of my favorites stories by Dylan Casey:

http://www.dylancasey.com/journal_detail.cfm?cid=128

StoereVent · « **Reply #32 on:** July 22, 2003, 07:08:53 pm »

I don't agree with most of you I'afraid. Heard several former cyclists who said that Jan should not have waited. Agree: it's very noble but a bit stupid. Waiting, or not attacking when someone is having a flat tire is indeed a unwritten rule. Also it's not done to attack when someone is peeing. But when a rider falls by his own mistake, there's no rule. The basic poit is: is someone down or has someone stopped because of his own fault, or did he have bad luck. In case of bad luck the unwritten rule says to not attack or to wait.

BTW: NOBODY waited even a fraction of a second when Beloki fell. How about that?

Jeroen.

kiwi · « **Reply #33 on:** July 22, 2003, 09:20:41 pm »

but lance was bought down by a spectator(the spectator had a yellow plastic bag and it hooked lances hanlebar...its the same as a puncture nothing really you can do about it.Beloki crashed....no ones fault but his own.Besides the way lance was going i dont think it would have made any difference...although lance now owes jan a favour......i think it is right

StoereVent · « **Reply #34 on:** July 22, 2003, 09:53:09 pm »

But Lance said it was his own fault himself!
I agree thah Lance could have won the stage anyway, but the time difference would have been smaller.
I'm afraid that I have to accept the fact that Lance is a bit stronger than Jan this year...

Jeroen.

RoentgenRanger · « **Reply #35 on:** July 23, 2003, 03:01:39 am »

Don't forget that Lance also waited a couple years ago when Jan took a header on the descent from the Perysourde! TYLER HAMILTON RULES!!

Dennis · « **Reply #36 on:** July 23, 2003, 03:44:12 am »

to me, Tyler Hamilton is the real stud out there. I don't care about spoiling it for anyone, Tyler was FANTASTIC today!! I don't remember who it was, but someone here thought Tyler should have dropped out after the TTT. what are you thinking now? sorry, couldn't resist.
he couldn't even raise or shake hands with his right arm after his victory today. He is amazing. Didn't I say a few days ago he is a real tough SOB.
They said on OLN that people were even doubting whether he had broken his clavicle or not. So, he had the doctors release the x-rays. people are amazing, they doubt people when they are at their best.
well, I hope something happens to Vino, because I would love to see Tyler on the podium in Paris, he deserves it like no other.
my two cents for today.
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Scott · « **Reply #37 on:** July 23, 2003, 05:25:14 am »

Lance said it was his fault, I guess, because it brings nothing but bad press and we all know how that goes for a Yank across the pond.... And Dennis, is that a clean break thru and thru or a cracked clavicle? I drove a stick shift 25 miles to the E.R. with a double break of one and can't imagine what Tyler's going through in the Tour.

Dennis · « **Reply #38 on:** July 23, 2003, 06:26:51 am »

Scott,
apparently his clavicle is fractured in two places.
I once drove for 4 hours with two fractured ribs in a car with big side bolsters on the seat, and that was really painful, esp. when I went around corners and the bolsters pressed into my ribs.
I can't imagine what he's going through either. I was just watching the tape replay on OLN and the look of pain on his face as he climbed a mountain today was unbelievable.
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pedro · « **Reply #39 on:** July 23, 2003, 12:43:22 pm »

Winning a stage in the tour and being the sixth north american to do so is an excellent reward for the risk Hamilton has taken. Whether he makes the podium or not, he has been paid.

Carbon_Angus · « **Reply #40 on:** July 23, 2003, 04:09:33 pm »

i don't want to poop on what Tyler did today, but to me he sure looked pretty good mobility wise with that shoulder. He was raisng, waving, lifting without any appearance of favoring it. He was suffering early on, but he is feeling better.

I do wish he was 100% as he, Jan and Lance would probably be the top three.

also, he was not chased by anyone, because this late it didn't matter to anyone, really. the whole frickin peleton finished behind him, no one attacked.

don't get me wrong he did a great thing today and is guts plus, but there were circumstances working in his favor to facilitate the win for him.

Dennis · « **Reply #41 on:** July 24, 2003, 01:49:03 am »

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i don't want to poop on what Tyler did today, but to me he sure looked pretty good mobility wise with that shoulder. He was raisng, waving, lifting without any appearance of favoring it. He was suffering early on, but he is feeling better. ..... anyone, really. the whole frickin peleton finished behind him, no one attacked.
there were circumstances working in his favor to facilitate the win for him.

yes, but there is also a lot of strategy going on here, as you know. did you see him thank his team manager on the finishing straight? Tyler realized his win had a lot to do with the circumstances working in his favor, but the team recognized the opportunity and Tyler had to have the strength to pull it off. the peloton closed on him quite rapidly at the end, and if Tyler had weakened (as most others would have done) he would not have won.
as for moving his arm around, I didn't see that. if fact, if you had seen the trophy ceremony it was quite evident that he couldn't lift anything with his right arm and, in fact, he couldn't raise it at all even without holding anything. there was a real look of pain in his face while he was holding the trophy (down by his waist, not over his head) in his right arm as they were taking pictures.
my 4cents.
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Carbon_Angus · « **Reply #42 on:** July 24, 2003, 03:30:52 am »

yeah, okay on the podium, but i swear i saw him bang his handle bar with his right arm and raise both arms above his head at the finish, maybe i was still asleep.

have ridden a mtn bike with a distal fracture of my left collar bone about three miles, there is pain, but there was more pain trying to walk the bike out believe it or not. moving it is what hurts and pressure on it. Tyler might say that sleeping with it is harder than riding with it (my feeling)

he is a stud for staying in the Tour, however i'm just going a wee bit contray to all the praise and sympathy. and all those guys are so freakin awesome to be able to accomplish this feat

the following is not mine but I will quote it from a friend who sent it too me a few days ago....

"I really thank all the riders for they inspire me to achieve all the tangible and intangible goals. we can do it just move our feet and our ass will follow.
these people have really earned the respect and awe of the world. for we are all
watching. with our minds and hearts. the true majesty of sport and the human spirit in the drama of life itself. may grace of their pain unfold and transform us all."

BTW where to they get all those DDG podium women?

RoentgenRanger · « **Reply #43 on:** July 24, 2003, 03:50:12 am »

I'm figuring he's got a non-displaced fx. It's still going to hurt like crazy, but his shoulder will function normally. I would also speculate that he's receiving local anesthetic(lidocaine, bupivacaine, etc.) before the stage. Doesn't stop it from hurting, but might take the edge off...

StoereVent · « **Reply #44 on:** July 27, 2003, 07:13:41 pm »

it's very hard but: to all the Armstrong-fans (if there exists somthing like that): congratulations whith the fifth victory in a row. To all the others: hopefully someone else next year!

(I think Armstrong should have waited some time when he heard Ullrich had fallen down)

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