Author Topic: Need a new shock (Read 5570 times)

proflex252 · « **on:** April 13, 2006, 10:47:17 am »

Hi folks!

Was biking in the Alps last week and scrapped my Noleen NR2 shock on my 98 5000.
As I run out of seals for it I'm thinking about a new shock.
Any suggestions?
Just thinking about inserting a very lightweight airshock with 190mm i2i and using a adaptor to get the original 209mm i2i.
Or inserting a 215mm i2i with a bit more stroke.
My NR2 has 52mm stroke so the new one should be equal or comparable.
And it should have a pedal platform (SPV or something)

Please help me!

CU

Matti

shovelon · « **Reply #1 on:** April 13, 2006, 11:31:25 am »

Hy Matti,

I did that exact same thing. 190 mm shock. Manitou Swinger. Worked like a charm. You can really feel the weight difference.

I have stolen that shock to lighten up my 957, and have the coil Swinger 215mm x 63.5mm stroke back on it. Since I have experienced both, I am looking for a 215mm x 63.5 airshock.

Terry

Matno · « **Reply #2 on:** April 13, 2006, 12:14:58 pm »

I've got a Manitou Swinger 3-way Air with exactly 209mm eye to eye length. Stroke is 50.8mm. It's from a Trek Liquid.

Supposedly, prior to 2005, they had a 63.5mm stroke length, but mine is clearly a 2004 and it has the "newer" shorter stroke length (which is just fine for me).

The ride is amazing. With SPV turned up, it's pretty stiff, yet still soaks up the big bumps very well. Not as plush as my Stratos Helix Pro. (which by the way is for sale... details to follow).

Matt

proflex252 · « **Reply #3 on:** April 14, 2006, 03:32:30 am »

And can you tell me whats the stroke of the 190mm swinger, please?

I think there are more shocks available on ebay with 190 than with 215 i2i.
But I don't want to have less than 50 mm stroke on the shock as I'm feeling very comfortable with the 52mm stroke of my NR2

CU

Matti

shovelon · « **Reply #4 on:** April 14, 2006, 03:48:02 am »

The stroke on my 190mm Swinger 3way is 52 mm. Be aware that the air pressure ramps up very quickly with the 3 way. I would hold out for a 4 way with the piggyback chamber, if I had to do it again.

Terry

proflex252 · « **Reply #5 on:** April 14, 2006, 05:41:44 am »

Just saw a ebay auction which said the 190 has 38mm stroke. ?? Really?
Are there various strokes for one shock length?

And what's the weight of a 190 i2i swinger?
I want to come below 12 kg (26.3lbs) with two carbon brake boosters, bottle cage, bell, tacho and mud guards. Now it has 12.2kg (26.7lbs) with all that stuff on it.

Matno · « **Reply #6 on:** April 14, 2006, 09:11:22 am »

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Are there various strokes for one shock length?

Yes. Most shock makers do this.

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And what's the weight of a 190 i2i swinger?

WAY lighter than anything Noleen ever made! Sorry for the smart alec reply. I don't actually remember, although I'm fairly certain it's in the same range listed on Manitou's website, which is 275g for a 3-Way. They also have a newer SPV shock which is supposed to be for "marathon" and XC riding that weighs only 200g. It's supposed to be similar to their "R-Seven" fork line and comes with SPV or Lockout. Called the S-Type.

proflex252 · « **Reply #7 on:** April 15, 2006, 04:58:50 am »

My rear NR2 weights 410g. This is due to its Titanium Spring. Saves 150g to a steal spring.
So I think I will not save that much to reach my goal to have a less than 12 kg bike with 5" travel on the front and the rear.
But it helps.

Just saw a 5th element air shock with a specialized logo on it.
What'cha think about that stuff?

And the marathon one you were talking about, ... is it the Manitou Radium? And how is it?

Matno · « **Reply #8 on:** April 15, 2006, 05:13:09 am »

It's the "S-type". Check it out on Manitou's website:

http://www.answerproducts.com

I know nothing about it, other than that they usually list their stuff in order from high end to low end, and it's listed higher than the swinger and weighs less... Hmmmm...

jazclrint · « **Reply #9 on:** April 15, 2006, 02:59:58 pm »

I made adapters to put Fox Floats (front and rear) for my 5500. I could have my machinist make another one. I don't know how much for just the rear. I just got my bikes back from AUS so I don't have many decent pics yet. I posted the whole business about a year ago, so check the archives for the details. But basically I am running i2i 3mm longer in the back than stock to run the recommended 13mm of sag for the Float over the 10mm for the Noleens. I think I ended up with .75" more travel with a shorter shock (the adapter makes up the difference in length). The Floats have been replaced ny the RS3s in the Fox line-up I believe. Oh, and my bikes down to 24.25 lbs or 11kg. There isn't much that is going to be lighter than an NR-2 with Ti springs, so for wieght air shocks are really your only option. But OMG do those Fox Floats make a difference! Transformed my bike!
Later,
Rich

proflex252 · « **Reply #10 on:** April 15, 2006, 08:39:01 pm »

I will of course need a adapter for a shorter shock.
And I think I remember some pics of those adapters here in the forum.
And as I have a lathe in my garage and a milling machine at work it will be no prob for me to build one out of aircraft aluminum. Tend to use 3.6064.t6 aluminum with brass inserts for the bearing.

But first I need to have the new shock.

And hey! 11kg is something I will never reach with my 5000. And I have done so much up to now to get the weight down. U know I got to compensate my own weight gain by cutting down the bikes weight.
But anyway it is way lighter than my buddies bikes.

Carbon_Angus · « **Reply #11 on:** April 16, 2006, 01:52:35 am »

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I've got a Manitou Swinger 3-way Air with exactly 209mm eye to eye length. Stroke is 50.8mm. It's from a Trek Liquid.

Supposedly, prior to 2005, they had a 63.5mm stroke length, but mine is clearly a 2004 and it has the "newer" shorter stroke length (which is just fine for me).

The ride is amazing. With SPV turned up, it's pretty stiff, yet still soaks up the big bumps very well. Not as plush as my Stratos Helix Pro. (which by the way is for sale... details to follow).

Matt

I tried this on my Oz and couldn't get it to work

what did you do for the fitting?

Angus
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jazclrint · « **Reply #12 on:** April 20, 2006, 03:47:38 pm »

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I will of course need a adapter for a shorter shock.
And I think I remember some pics of those adapters here in the forum.
And as I have a lathe in my garage and a milling machine at work it will be no prob for me to build one out of aircraft aluminum. Tend to use 3.6064.t6 aluminum with brass inserts for the bearing.

But first I need to have the new shock.

And hey! 11kg is something I will never reach with my 5000. And I have done so much up to now to get the weight down. U know I got to compensate my own weight gain by cutting down the bikes weight.
But anyway it is way lighter than my buddies bikes.

Well, if you want I can always measure up what I have as an adapter for my fox Float and send the drawing to you. But it could take some time. You can always adapt my design to other shocks as well. Let me know. I have pics in my gallery as well, but I've been meaning to get better ones. I just need someone with a better camera than I have.
Rich

Matno · « **Reply #13 on:** April 20, 2006, 09:52:15 pm »

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I tried this on my Oz and couldn't get it to work what did you do for the fitting?

I had to grind a minimal amount off of each side of the swingarm mounts. No big deal at all. There are a couple of other pics in my gallery as well, if you want to see more...

proflex252 · « **Reply #14 on:** April 22, 2006, 06:59:32 am »

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Well, if you want I can always measure up what I have as an adapter for my fox Float and send the drawing to you.

Hi Jaz!

Yep! Any help offered is welcome! Thank you.
Just bought a new 2004 swinger 190 i2i on ebay for 120 Euros with warranty.
Hope it will do me a good job.
And now I need to have an adapter.
I have something in mind how to solve it, but I'd appreciate further input!

Matti

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