Am I being disloyal

[Frankd3000]

Thinking about it more I know what i'd take as a replacement (although i'd prefer it to be an alternative) to my 3000.....

A Tirade or maybe (and I mean maybe) an Attack. The 35+ pound build of a Tirade is the ONLY thing that's kept me away. Okay, and the price and fact that it's impossible to find as a frame-only.

Meh, i'll just keep upgrading my 3000.

Keep dreaming Simon. Some of us need to live vicariously when we're broke, eh! [smiley=laughing.gif]

[Carbon_Angus]

i lust for that bike, too, Simon.

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[shovelon]

Ok, now that is cool. A quick release on the lower shock mount. Something I have never seen before.

I will have to say that the VPP on the swingarm is very tasty. Now if I could just figure out how it is supposed to work. So high pivot, VPP, and propedal, all in sync. This is a brain teaser.

How many dineros is it? The component choices are my style.

I wish K2 would do some agressive designing like that!

[Simon]

Terry go to here
http://www.whytebikes.com/whyte-swf/
then click on models then click on the Quad link icon,
this explains some of how it all works and why but not how
VPP and Propedal work together,
also have alook at the Big Gripper system on the dropouts,all clever stuff,
all weighs in at 27.8lbs,
also they do another link (Alpine link)replacing the forward s/arm link,this lowers the rear (not the travel)and relaxes the head angle for those doing more aggressive downhill riding.
another thing I like,life time guarantee on all pivot bearings,
Simon.
Ps yes they are expensive
they retail at £2700 over here
though to put it into perspective a standard build
Santa Cruz Lt Blur retails at £2500
Scott Genius MC Ltd £3999
                 MC10 £2900
                 MC20 £2500
Orange 5 HC         £2800
Trek fuel 110        £3500
Giant Trance 1      £2500
Specialized enduro S works £3200
These are top line bikes at there RRP but with current deals they can be found much cheaper
though not the Whyte bike ( )
don't we get ripped off over here or what  

[shovelon]

Simon,

So what I gather is that just like the other VPP designs, it locks out under power by rotating the links verticle. But when it hits an obstacle horizontally the links rotate rearward and can absorb terrain.

But what about drops and jumps? My take is that the secondary link pulls back the primary link in order to then compress the shock. This takes time, but could be chalked up to initial compressing resistance consistant with threshhold valving. Yes?

Hurry up and buy one so you can test ride in the Afans. Then strip the paint and polish and put Proflex stickers on it. [smiley=laughing.gif]

Terry

[Oz-SUB]

A couple of my mates over in Ross on Wye have Whyte 46's, and they are good.  But read the latest MBR, where 6 decent bikes are tested.  The Whyte 46 gets 9/10 due to 'flexy' Mazerick fork, whereas the Specialised Enduo Pro gets 10/10.

My Oz-M fitted with a 2½" stroke Fox Vanilla gets a super smooth 6" travel on the rear.  And with a Ti spring is several ponds lighter than the Whyte etc.

Go test a Whyte and let us know what you think!

Oz-Sub

[Simon]

A couple of my mates over in Ross on Wye have Whyte 46's, and they are good.  But read the latest MBR, where 6 decent bikes are tested.  The Whyte 46 gets 9/10 due to 'flexy' Mazerick fork, whereas the Specialised Enduo Pro gets 10/10.

My Oz-M fitted with a 2½" stroke Fox Vanilla gets a super smooth 6" travel on the rear.  And with a Ti spring is several ponds lighter than the Whyte etc.

Go test a Whyte and let us know what you think!

Oz-Sub

Ummmm haven't read that review,normally read MBUK,
I have read many reviews on the Maverick fork and I've yet to here of anyone complain about flexy fork,
ahh well only one way to find out try one  [smiley=laughing.gif]
But its not just the forks that attract me to this bike,
its the spec,Hope M4's,propedal VPP,XT,Goodridge,
the list is endless plus on a personal note I just love the looks,
I know I should love Specialized and there great bikes BUT and I don't know why I just don't like them,
yes I can have 6" rear travel on my 856 and probabaly 5 to 6 on the front and be a couple of pounds lighter than the Whyte,but it won't work as well,thats the difference,
hopefully I'll get a test ride in this year,doesn't mean
I'll like it,hope I do though  [smiley=laughing.gif].
Simon.

[Simon]

Simon,

So what I gather is that just like the other VPP designs, it locks out under power by rotating the links verticle. But when it hits an obstacle horizontally the links rotate rearward and can absorb terrain.

But what about drops and jumps? My take is that the secondary link pulls back the primary link in order to then compress the shock. This takes time, but could be chalked up to initial compressing resistance consistant with threshhold valving. Yes?

Hurry up and buy one so you can test ride in the Afans. Then strip the paint and polish and put Proflex stickers on it. [smiley=laughing.gif]

Terry

Ahhh Terry you've lost me there  [smiley=laughing.gif]
Here's some spiel from the Whyte site,just some brief
points,
First the wheel moves back and up,further through the travel wheel moves forward to the b/b,optimising chain growth to help eliminate bobbing and pedal induced feedback.
So chain growth too little, bike will bob,
too much  bike will rise on pedal stroke and transfer shock of bump through the transmission.
Quad link designed for chain growth to pull the wheel into the ground (just like the Dig in on a Proflex  [smiley=laughing.gif])
further in its travel it gradually reduces chain growth to zero virtually eliminating feedback,
IPC (Instantaneous pivot centre) constantly adjusting its IPC to the optimium position (hey where ever that is  )
Shock compression ratio changes,ratio decreases as shock compresses thus preventing it blowing through its travel (think thats pretty standard these days).
anyway sorry if you've already read the full version this is just some info I picked out.
Simon.

[Frankd3000]

I know I should love Specialized and there great bikes BUT and I don't know why I just don't like them,

Because you're an EDUCATED man that doesn't read into the propoganda-laden BS they advertise with. If it were not for that i'd at least have some respect for them.

Wow, I didn't realize the pricing was situated as it is. If you drop the two cheaper bikes from your list you can easily "buy with approval". "Honey, it's the lest expensive one". [smiley=laughing.gif]

Unless she reads here, too. Then I just ruined it for you. [smiley=blankstare.gif]

[Colin]

As soon as a PRST-4 comes up cheap enough..........I'll be queueing up!
PRST-1's are already appearing second hand or late stock at good prices.

Col.

[jeffhop]

heres some proof of second hand whytes including a prst4


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2003-19in-Whyte-PRST-4-frameset_W0QQitemZ7177166080QQcategoryZ22679QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Whyte-PRST-1-frame-and-fork-large_W0QQitemZ7176641571QQcategoryZ22679QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-WHYTE-JW4-FRAME-FORK-QUAD-LINK-SUSPENSION-MARIN_W0QQitemZ7177113836QQcategoryZ22679QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[jeffhop]

i also missed these, funnily enough there are a couple of 46`s for sale


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2004-Whyte-46-mens-mountain-bike_W0QQitemZ7178114162QQcategoryZ27948QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WHYTE-46_W0QQitemZ7177395310QQcategoryZ27948QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WHYTE-PRST-1-17-5-2001_W0QQitemZ7178106170QQcategoryZ27948QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Dennis]

ya know, these Whyte 46's look an awful lot like Marin bikes. any connection?






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[Simon]

ya know, these Whyte 46's look an awful lot like Marin bikes. any connection?



[smiley=groucho.gif]

Ha Ha you spotted that,
and for very good reason,
The Whyte bikes designer is Jon Whyte,
his company has been designing all the Marin F/S
range for many years now,the Whyte's look very similar (understandably) but there are many differences,
most notably Jon Whyte was Michael Schmacher suspension engineer/designer when he drove and
was world F1 champion with the Benetton (now Renault F1 team) all based over here.
He's also a very keen  MTB rider.
Simon