K2 / Proflex Riders Group
General => Tech Forum => Topic started by: Juanpablo on September 13, 2005, 09:45:56 am
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Hi friends
See this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/K2-full-suspension-Carbon-mountain-bike-frameset_W0QQitemZ7182858490QQcategoryZ72573QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Its very rare, and the seller is from china. What is your opinion??????
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can you say FRAUD :o
I now count two of the exact same auction, quoting word for word the original auction and pictures.
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hmmmm, thats strange seeing as i won simons frame on friday and seeing that simon is a top man on here i know who i believe, how do you report fraud to ebay? i know simons away for the week but i wonder if he knows about it?
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Yup. That's a rip-off alright! Awfully nice (read; rediculously stupid) of the "seller" to include the SAME picture as Simon did. Even more of a gentleman to include frame measurements of said "bike". Come to think of it, I think he only left out 2 lines of what Simon had typed.
Here's a link that might help to resovle the situation. http://pages.ebay.com/securitycenter/?ssPageName=home:f:f:US
Seeing as how Simon is away for the week i'd think it might be best if YOU handle this, jeffhop. Send them the info. The reason being is that you have already won what's being "sold" and since Simon isn't around to handle it - just seems like you're the next in line, IMHO.
Juanpablo - GREAT find!!!!!
The only other reason I can see for something like this is that the seller doesn't have a means for taking pictures and is using the photos, but given that even the item description is almost completely copied i'd say reporting is in good order. They can defend themselves and prove it to earn the right to sell what they have.
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Scary thing is, some people might actually look at the feedback (49 w/98% positive) and think they're legit. Of course, if you look at the actual feedback, most of them say things like "?????????????????????????????????????" or "HappyGood".
Here's the real key to fraud though: "We accept payment ways:
1 Bank wire transfer
2 Western Union money transfer
3 Money gram
we can't accept paypal.
Sorry NO PayPal"
RIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT.... ::)
Of course, I just bought something from a zero feedback seller two days ago, what do I know?
Also sold my old road bike wheels (not all that old - only 1400 miles on them) for just over $150. Not too shabby. They were my first wheel build (i.e. I built them myself) but my wife said they had to go to pay for the new ones (and I wasn't about to keep them over my new Ksyriums!)
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ive just reported the item to ebay and now have to wait 24-48 hours for a reply! i cant tell you how much of a shock it was to read this post!! if it hadnt been for the fact that simon is very well known on here i would be sh***ing myself thinking id lost a lot of money, as it is, hopefully by reporting it, the listing will be pulled and we can save someone else some money. well done for spotting it juanpablo.
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I have seen this before when I was looking for a tenor sax. One sax was listed three times, each with a different seller. Two of the sellers were located, guess where?, yes, China.
I notified ebay, even though I wasn't involved, and both bogus listings were removed within a few hours.
Matno is right, if they seller states no paypal and only accepts cash type payment, beware!
[smiley=groucho.gif]
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haha. i just posted another message to the forum saying I thought this was a fake - there is a UK standard issue wheelie bin in the garden...
I emailled the seller, see if we get a reply eh? I doubt it. I'm going to contact ebay on this one as well.
callum
rds
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Just a little reassurance for Jeefhop as Simon is apparantly not around at the moment.
Simon is a good friend of mine, I have met him, ridden with him regularly, been to house and left my carbon bike with him to do the main pivot sealed bearing conversion.
He is a totally genuine, honest guy and absolutely mad about Proflex bikes.
If you have bought something from him you can trust that he will do what he says - he won'tlet you down.
This new ebay posting from China is a scam.
Sprucey
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in fact, if you look through the feedback and then look at the feedback of some of the people that leave feedback - you'll see the scam - just an endless loop of worthless low value products in create maximum feedback on a list of ebay users.
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I can vouch for simon as well, I've used him to test some of our rds stuff in the past.
callum
rds
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I did send the seller an email saying I would buy if he sent it COD, but guess what? no reply.
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Who has gone and bid on it?
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looks like someone from the u.s. bid on the frame, just hope he doesnt pay up! i cant believe ebay didnt pull the listing after i informed them it was dodgy!?! one of the things that made up my mind about buying the frame from simon was this forum and the fact that he is such an active member, i knew it was a genuine bike as he tried to sell it on here before, i would have bought it then but didnt have the funds, fortunately i just sold my giant time trial bike a month ago and used some of the money from that, at the moment im like a kid waiting for christmas, i cant wait!! lol
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"Bidding has ended for this item"
BUSTED!
Hey, Jeff, i'm glad you got cash coming and all, really I am, but don't go edging on the fluffy white stuff, eh? Cold is one thing, snow is a whooooole other ball game. It's coming soon enough.
;)
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7183024346&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT
It's BAAaack. Again, beleive it or not. I had reported both of the previous auctions, one was removed the other was not. Unfortunately someone did bid on the other. I am glad to see that I wasn't the only one that reported this. I will be reporting this new one also.
Steve
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this is awful. although, it shows how good our community is to monitor these things!
callum
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Think I might put a huge bid on it and then retract on the last day, I know its a bit naughty but they should be stopped, I've already been had on ebay and I don't like the fact they are trying to do this with a K2 carbon >:(
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Is it worth emailing the bidders to let them know they are bidding on a scam? I've gotten burnt personally on ebay and don't wish that on anyone...
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Currently two listed again. Both have been reported. Unfortunately ebay appears to be slow about checking into this. Only one has recieved a bid in all these, unfortunately that person was new to ebay apparently so wouldn't have known about spotting a scam.
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It's back again in the UK. Now with other seller and look the feedback. All the feedback was on 14 and 15 September.....
We say in Portugal that are half world to wanting to deceive the other
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/K2-full-suspension-Carbon-mountain-bike-frameset_W0QQitemZ7183312972QQcategoryZ72573QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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I got a reply from them but we will wait and see if they reply back to what I said.
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how many more people are going to try and sell my shiny new frame!! ive sent the sellers messages so ill see what happens, i feel sorry for the guys that bid on them as they probably think theyre getting a bargain, which they would be if the items were legit. all i can say is im pleased to be part of this community cos if i wasnt i would have bid for these frames!! im just pleased i bid and won the real one from a well respected bloke on here
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WHAT just got back and find out this is happening,
BIG THANKYOU TO ALL YOU GUY'S WHO SPOTTED THIS AND HAVE TRIED ALL YOU CAN TO HELP THOSE WHO MIGHT OF BEEN SCAMMED,
Jeffhop be assured your frame and extra's are all packed up and I intend to get it posted tomorrow (17th),
I'm truely gutted this has happened and I wasn't around to help clear things up,
a one pi**ed off Simon.
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Lucky for you, your auction finished successfully before they started copying the heck out of it.
Unfortunately, there's not a ton you can do about it. I used to email the high bidders on auctions like this, but I found that there were so many of them that it was far too much of my time. Dishonest people suck.