K2 / Proflex Riders Group
General => Tech Forum => Topic started by: Simon on August 18, 2005, 10:18:45 am
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Am I being disloyal but I really want this bike, ???
no I really really want one of these, :o
I really want to try one round the Afan Forest. ;D
6" travel front and rear on the fly adjustable down to 4" front and rear,VPP,Propedal,Hope M4's,Easton carbon riser's,even Goodridge hoses as standard.
Sub 28Lbs
http://www.whytebikes.com/whyte-swf/specs.php?MenuType=Dual&MenuSubCat=models
http://www.whytebikes.com/whyte-swf/
(http://www.whytebikes.com/whyte-swf/images/whyte-46-lrg.jpg)
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Hi Simon...
Well, that is a fancy bike - I can't blame ya like for wanting one....I think anyone here would love to have this machine.
It looks great and sounds lite too...When you get it take lots of pics for me...
(For me...my 957 is a dream to own) :)
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Traitor? Nah. I say go for it. Variety is the spice of life. If you can afford it without being dog-housed then ....
GIVE 'ER!
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Just tell yourself that the original Whyte had a linkage front end! That's related enough... I'd kill to try one of those Maverick forks. They look and sound fantastic!
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we've got a local Doc who rides a Maverick bike with those forks. He's pretty, um, stout and give that fork what for.
Nevertheless, he loves the fork. It's just buttery smooth and scary light.
The Maverick rearend... well let's just say it's a good thing he's a $urgeon. That bike spends more time in the repair shop than the mechanics.
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Simon, Steady Boy, Steady!
Click your heals three times and repeat:
"There's no place like Home"
"There's no place like Home"
"My dream (bike) had some funky high pivot, virtual pivot, linkagey swingarm Aunt Em!" "And Maverick, you were there, and Hopes, you were there. Heck, everything I ever dreamed of was there!"
That's nice Simon, you better take care of that bump on your head!
Sorry Simon, could'nt resist.
Terry
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You only path to redemption on this site it to buy everyone each this new Whyte bike! (http://idriders.com/newforum/YaBBImages/grin.gif)
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You only path to redemption on this site it to buy everyone each this new Whyte bike!
If you did, I'd be happy to join a new forum! (But I'd still follow this one...)
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:'( :'( :'( I can't afford it (YET)
but if I could I would,subject to testing it of course,
I'm just dreaming about it for the moment,
if I did get one I'd still keep my 856 project and the 4500 so I'd still follow this site (if welcome :P)
just seen a s/hand 04 model with full XTR for sale :'(
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i wouldnt say you were being disloyal as long as you still owned the proflex`s (proflexi?) id kill for a whyte 46 or even a prst1n (named, i think after a charachter in a wallace and grommit film!! i kid you not) go for it! by the way heres my latest addition to my ever increasing bike family.
http://idriders.com/cgi-bin/album_k2.pl?photo=jeffhop/airborne_tbolt.jpg;photo_height=500
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I want a Whyte bike. I really, really want a Whyte bike.
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:'( :'( :'( I can't afford it (YET)
Heck, if we could afford it, I honestly doubt there would be half as many people on this forum as there are! As it is, we're mostly guys who like to work on bikes and are keeping a solid frame (especially for its time) alive and in some cases more than well. I'm sure I'm not the only one here who can justify the occasional upgrade to the powers that be (wife) but not a brand new bike. Besides, it's hard to justify the expense to myself when I've got such a nice bike now.
If I had money to burn, I'm sure that just like most of you, I'd buy the latest and greatest. It's all a matter of rationalization and justification...
Go Proflex! 8)
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Again and again... the recurring theme.
I almost bought a Prophet 1000 when I got my "free" 856.
The difference for me is the Prophet will be as "historic" as the 856 in two years. With the right components, the 856 will continue to be one of the best rides ever built.
When things REALLY change (like putting the gears in the bottom bracket) then it will be time to look beyond.
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id kill for a whyte 46 or even a prst1n (named, i think after a charachter in a wallace and grommit film!! i kid you not) go for it! by the way heres my latest addition to my ever increasing bike family.
Your quite correct,yes thats how it got it name,abriviated from the name Preston,though the latest version is PRST4 still with the linkage fork.
If I could afford the 46 I'd buy it (I really like it)but the heart is still with Proflex we go back along way,probabaly why I feel quilty about wanting one :-[
maybe if Proflex had stayed Proflex with Bob at the helm maybe they would be producing something like
the 46 now ???,anyway I'd never sell the 856 project or the 4500 and I'd still keep tinkering.
Simon still dreaming.
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I'd hope it isn't being disloyal, otherwise I need to sell some bikes ;D
I love my proflex's, but my Norco and Specilized aren't going anywhere. As long as you have a proflex (or two) in the shed, then things are fine.
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Thinking about it more I know what i'd take as a replacement (although i'd prefer it to be an alternative) to my 3000.....
A Tirade or maybe (and I mean maybe) an Attack. The 35+ pound build of a Tirade is the ONLY thing that's kept me away. Okay, and the price and fact that it's impossible to find as a frame-only.
Meh, i'll just keep upgrading my 3000. ;)
Keep dreaming Simon. Some of us need to live vicariously when we're broke, eh! [smiley=laughing.gif]
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i lust for that bike, too, Simon.
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Ok, now that is cool. A quick release on the lower shock mount. Something I have never seen before.
I will have to say that the VPP on the swingarm is very tasty. Now if I could just figure out how it is supposed to work. So high pivot, VPP, and propedal, all in sync. This is a brain teaser.
How many dineros is it? The component choices are my style.
I wish K2 would do some agressive designing like that!
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Terry go to here
http://www.whytebikes.com/whyte-swf/
then click on models then click on the Quad link icon,
this explains some of how it all works and why but not how
VPP and Propedal work together,
also have alook at the Big Gripper system on the dropouts,all clever stuff,
all weighs in at 27.8lbs,
also they do another link (Alpine link)replacing the forward s/arm link,this lowers the rear (not the travel)and relaxes the head angle for those doing more aggressive downhill riding.
another thing I like,life time guarantee on all pivot bearings,
Simon.
Ps yes they are expensive
they retail at £2700 over here
though to put it into perspective a standard build
Santa Cruz Lt Blur retails at £2500
Scott Genius MC Ltd £3999
MC10 £2900
MC20 £2500
Orange 5 HC £2800
Trek fuel 110 £3500
Giant Trance 1 £2500
Specialized enduro S works £3200
These are top line bikes at there RRP but with current deals they can be found much cheaper
though not the Whyte bike ( >:()
don't we get ripped off over here or what >:( >:(
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Simon,
So what I gather is that just like the other VPP designs, it locks out under power by rotating the links verticle. But when it hits an obstacle horizontally the links rotate rearward and can absorb terrain.
But what about drops and jumps? My take is that the secondary link pulls back the primary link in order to then compress the shock. This takes time, but could be chalked up to initial compressing resistance consistant with threshhold valving. Yes?
Hurry up and buy one so you can test ride in the Afans. Then strip the paint and polish and put Proflex stickers on it. [smiley=laughing.gif]
Terry
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A couple of my mates over in Ross on Wye have Whyte 46's, and they are good. But read the latest MBR, where 6 decent bikes are tested. The Whyte 46 gets 9/10 due to 'flexy' Mazerick fork, whereas the Specialised Enduo Pro gets 10/10.
My Oz-M fitted with a 2½" stroke Fox Vanilla gets a super smooth 6" travel on the rear. And with a Ti spring is several ponds lighter than the Whyte etc.
Go test a Whyte and let us know what you think!
Oz-Sub
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A couple of my mates over in Ross on Wye have Whyte 46's, and they are good. But read the latest MBR, where 6 decent bikes are tested. The Whyte 46 gets 9/10 due to 'flexy' Mazerick fork, whereas the Specialised Enduo Pro gets 10/10.
My Oz-M fitted with a 2½" stroke Fox Vanilla gets a super smooth 6" travel on the rear. And with a Ti spring is several ponds lighter than the Whyte etc.
Go test a Whyte and let us know what you think!
Oz-Sub
Ummmm haven't read that review,normally read MBUK,
I have read many reviews on the Maverick fork and I've yet to here of anyone complain about flexy fork,
ahh well only one way to find out try one [smiley=laughing.gif]
But its not just the forks that attract me to this bike,
its the spec,Hope M4's,propedal VPP,XT,Goodridge,
the list is endless plus on a personal note I just love the looks,
I know I should love Specialized and there great bikes BUT and I don't know why I just don't like them,
yes I can have 6" rear travel on my 856 and probabaly 5 to 6 on the front and be a couple of pounds lighter than the Whyte,but it won't work as well,thats the difference,
hopefully I'll get a test ride in this year,doesn't mean
I'll like it,hope I do though [smiley=laughing.gif].
Simon.
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Simon,
So what I gather is that just like the other VPP designs, it locks out under power by rotating the links verticle. But when it hits an obstacle horizontally the links rotate rearward and can absorb terrain.
But what about drops and jumps? My take is that the secondary link pulls back the primary link in order to then compress the shock. This takes time, but could be chalked up to initial compressing resistance consistant with threshhold valving. Yes?
Hurry up and buy one so you can test ride in the Afans. Then strip the paint and polish and put Proflex stickers on it. [smiley=laughing.gif]
Terry
Ahhh Terry you've lost me there [smiley=laughing.gif]
Here's some spiel from the Whyte site,just some brief
points,
First the wheel moves back and up,further through the travel wheel moves forward to the b/b,optimising chain growth to help eliminate bobbing and pedal induced feedback.
So chain growth too little, bike will bob,
too much bike will rise on pedal stroke and transfer shock of bump through the transmission.
Quad link designed for chain growth to pull the wheel into the ground (just like the Dig in on a Proflex [smiley=laughing.gif])
further in its travel it gradually reduces chain growth to zero virtually eliminating feedback,
IPC (Instantaneous pivot centre) constantly adjusting its IPC to the optimium position (hey where ever that is :P)
Shock compression ratio changes,ratio decreases as shock compresses thus preventing it blowing through its travel (think thats pretty standard these days).
anyway sorry if you've already read the full version this is just some info I picked out.
Simon.
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I know I should love Specialized and there great bikes BUT and I don't know why I just don't like them,
Because you're an EDUCATED man that doesn't read into the propoganda-laden BS they advertise with. If it were not for that i'd at least have some respect for them.
Wow, I didn't realize the pricing was situated as it is. If you drop the two cheaper bikes from your list you can easily "buy with approval". ;) "Honey, it's the lest expensive one". [smiley=laughing.gif]
Unless she reads here, too. Then I just ruined it for you. [smiley=blankstare.gif]
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As soon as a PRST-4 comes up cheap enough..........I'll be queueing up!
PRST-1's are already appearing second hand or late stock at good prices.
Col.
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heres some proof of second hand whytes including a prst4
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2003-19in-Whyte-PRST-4-frameset_W0QQitemZ7177166080QQcategoryZ22679QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Whyte-PRST-1-frame-and-fork-large_W0QQitemZ7176641571QQcategoryZ22679QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-WHYTE-JW4-FRAME-FORK-QUAD-LINK-SUSPENSION-MARIN_W0QQitemZ7177113836QQcategoryZ22679QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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i also missed these, funnily enough there are a couple of 46`s for sale
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2004-Whyte-46-mens-mountain-bike_W0QQitemZ7178114162QQcategoryZ27948QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WHYTE-46_W0QQitemZ7177395310QQcategoryZ27948QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WHYTE-PRST-1-17-5-2001_W0QQitemZ7178106170QQcategoryZ27948QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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ya know, these Whyte 46's look an awful lot like Marin bikes. any connection?
(http://www.marinbikes.com/bicycles_2005/graphics/bike_photos/bike_photos_action/ac_xcfrs_1.jpg)
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ya know, these Whyte 46's look an awful lot like Marin bikes. any connection?
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Ha Ha you spotted that,
and for very good reason,
The Whyte bikes designer is Jon Whyte,
his company has been designing all the Marin F/S
range for many years now,the Whyte's look very similar (understandably) but there are many differences,
most notably Jon Whyte was Michael Schmacher suspension engineer/designer when he drove and
was world F1 champion with the Benetton (now Renault F1 team) all based over here.
He's also a very keen MTB rider.
Simon