K2 / Proflex Riders Group
General => Tech Forum => Topic started by: K2Convert on March 18, 2003, 07:08:55 am
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First post, so be gentle. I currenty own a 2000 Trek 8000 hard tail. I want a sweet ride and have considered a couple of new frames from ediscountbike. I have some experience on single pivot bikes. For example, a friend of mine left his 2000 Cannondale Raven at my house for a few months. I rode it around and thought is sucked pretty bad. Another friend bought an EVO 4.0 from Supergo a few months ago and biult it up with a Fox in front and back and XTR all the way around. It rode great though a little heavy (around 30 lbs.) If I got a Disco Monkey would it be possible to modify the swing arm to accept an air shock? I like the idea of building it up as light as possible but still have a durable dual suspension. Also, I got my wife a Razorback frame and she loves it. I would go for one too but I'm too big (210 lbs) and tall (6'2") for an 18 incher. I plan on doing mostly XC riding with some moderate air.
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Risse Racing makes 3 air shock models that will fit with no modifications:
http://www.risseracing.com/applications/k2.htm
http://www.risseracing.com
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8) Welcome to the board! :) If you have the oppertunity ride as many bikes as you can to see what you do and dont like before you spend your money. I know alot of LBS have some demo rigs for you to try for a small fee that is credited towards your purchese. Have fun and take your time to get what you want that fits you and your ridding style. 8)
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Thanks Zulu
I thought I would never like a single pivot bike from riding the Cannondale. It bobbed like crazy even when I pumped a bunch of air into the shock. My friend's K2 EVO was a totally different experience, which caught me off gaurd. It was so comfy but still felt pretty efficient. We weigh about the same and he had it set up a little stiff in the rear. I like the idea of setting the rear end up a little softer and using an on-the-fly lockout if possible. Do any of the Risse shocks have a lock-out option? Also, is true that the Disco Monkey is the same frame of the previous year EVO 3.0?
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Stratos makes a shock with lockout. It's an air/spring combo so it's not as light as a true air shock.
The Disco and the Evos are one in the same. For the price and performance, it's hard to beat the Discos/Evos available form Ediscount. I'd recommend you leave the stock NR2 on (IFO please don't read :o) till you decide what kind of shock you want. If you hang around this forum long enough, you'll get a feel for what shocks are used.
Of course these is no Substitute for IFO, FOX RC 8), FOX RC 8), FOX RC 8) :o. ;)
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Jimbo,
will I need to pick another spring for the NR2 because of my largeness (210lbs.)?
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I think it depends on what comes with the frame. See spring rate link. It looks like you could use 2 different springs.
http://www.k2bike.com/tech_library/pdfs2/01/01springratechart.pdf
If you get the wrong spring, you might get lucky and buy one off one of the Forum members.
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Thanks Zulu
I thought I would never like a single pivot bike from riding the Cannondale. It bobbed like crazy even when I pumped a bunch of air into the shock. My friend's K2 EVO was a totally different experience, which caught me off gaurd. It was so comfy but still felt pretty efficient. We weigh about the same and he had it set up a little stiff in the rear. I like the idea of setting the rear end up a little softer and using an on-the-fly lockout if possible. Do any of the Risse shocks have a lock-out option? Also, is true that the Disco Monkey is the same frame of the previous year EVO 3.0?
I use a Risse Astro 5 and it has an external damping adjustment knob which is almost as good as a lockout. I only weigh about 180, but the Risse should be valved for your weight. With the damping all the way on, I can stand and crank with very little bobbing and it's very plush with the damping all the way out.
Forrest
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dont mess about get yourself a FOX float RC...
:)
actually if your looking to keep your bike "light" then any quality airshock should do..
but at your weight i STRONGLY suggest you go to a proper coil/oil... its not that much heavier, esp. for someone of your size....
if your gonig coil/oil, do yourself a favor, and grab up a FOX vanilla RC...accpet no subsitiutes....
p.s. watch for flying parts coming off that noleen...
i grenaded my old NR4... [smiley=redface.gif]
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welcome welcome welcome [smiley=nod.gif]
i own a 1000. i love it. i left the nr2 on it and it was fine. i bought the bike in early 99 and i've rode it alot. i'm much smaller than you 5'5"/150lb so the abuse factor maybe alittle lower for me.
for the money you can't go wrong. if you liked your friends yo should do fine.
........peace [smiley=nod.gif]
btw the only reason ifo grenaded his noleen is because he's a madman [smiley=laughing.gif]
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you can build it up fairly light for a trail bike, like 28#'s without using esoteric parts...disc brakes :P, too...right
for the nr2 spring and your weight i'd go with a 650#
welcome [smiley=beer.gif], we are a mostly a bunch of pretty easy going guys who like to ride and talk and :-* about our bikes, k2 or other brands.
also, i honestly don't think lockouts are all that great, uinless you ride it a lot on streets or paved bike paths, ok then.
also......it will NEVER climb as good as that Trek of yours ( i have a '99 8000) so just get over that part right away and enjoy the rest of the ride 8)
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im no madman, the Noleen was just a POS... [smiley=disbelief.gif]
but this bike keeps me happier anyways...so its all water under the bridge...
http://idriders.com/cgi-bin/album.pl?photo=Rides/03-03-02-Seymour/IMG_0082.jpg
;D
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Who took that pic, Dave? Getting good. Rich
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yeah... thats one from Daves new camera...
it takes much better shots then his old one...
Dave rarely gets to be in the shots cuz no one else can take a decent photo..
personaly i cant be bothered... camera's dont excite me in any way at all.. [smiley=upset.gif]
but i'll gladly ride in frt of any lens pointed my way thou... :)
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That is one sweet looking bike. The way the lines on the frame "flow" kind of reminds me of the Oz frames...
But who's the goofy guy riding it?! 8)
I would love a bike like that, as long as it weighed under 30 lbs! (Or if not, as long as I could afford two mountain bikes...)
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Would the large (18") be too small. I mailed my friend who has the EVO 4.0 and he said it was the large size, not the way big. He's an inch or two shorter than me but about the same weight. That surprized me because it seemed larger than that. It did have a Fox Vanilla RC on the back and he said that added some travel. How much travel would an RC add? And would that have made the bike feel larger than an 18 incher. I would really hate to buy the way big size and feel like I was riding a monster. What Fox RC should I be looking for (length, stroke, etc)? I noticed cambria has some on sale for $199 but I don't know if any will work.
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hmmm......i am 6' 1 1/2" [smiley=nod.gif] have ridden large 857 and Oz. my trek 8000 was a 19.5inch i think, what size is your Trek 8000?
you can fit on both, if you want it to be more XC riding than a way big might be a lttle better fit, if you are trail and/or free riding than the large would do fine, IMO. we are really on a cusp as far as frame sizing goes, though
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Agreed ;D Bigger for XC type riding and smaller for aggressive trail/freeriding type riding. :o
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My Trek is a 19.5 and feels pretty good. I do hate the feeling of being on too big a ride. My friend with the large had a fairly normal length stem and the large felt really good. Not too small but still manueverable. I think I'll try to get one of the larges if they have any left, Thanks.
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My large has an effective top tube length of 22.8". I'm not sure where the 18" designation for the "large" EVO came from. I guess it's the seat tube measurement, but I've never measured mine. The bikes I've seen on the K2 website have large's listed at 19.1". I think the Large EVO is perfect for riders up to about 6'2", so you should be fine. Heck, according to IFO, you should be riding a small... (I think his formula is something like: subtract a couple of inches from a "normal" frame size, buy the smaller frame, then add the inches back on to the length of the fork's travel!) ;)
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hahah, good one matno..
i like that idea... :)
actualy at 6'2" even a Large EVO is still guna give u plenty of stand over...esp. if u run a 6" frt fork... :)
mine was a Large, adn it never felt to big, unlike my BIGHIT which in a large was HUGE.... :o
every brand specs their sizes differently..theres defintly no standard among bike makers as far as frame sizes go...just like helmets..
its all buggered really... [smiley=furious.gif]
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every brand specs their sizes differently..theres defintly no standard among bike makers as far as frame sizes go...just like helmets..
its all buggered really... [smiley=furious.gif]
I have a hard time sizing frames, but I have no trouble sizing helmets. I just get the biggest one they got :o
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Hey, these EVO frames run large, I think. I had a 1999 K1000 lrg, standover 30.5 w/ 4"fork. Plenty of room in the cockpit. I'm 6' and it felt big at times. I think you would be happier with a large. The standover I think is about the same, the top tubes grows on the Way Big. Rich
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About the Large feeling big that is. I'm just curious. I'm 5'11" and it has never felt anything but perfect with a 4" fork. My wife has a medium and it fits okay too, but just doesn't have the same feeling of being in control that I have on the large that fits. In fact, sometimes it feels too small! (On steep descents especially). My brother in law has a Way Big, and it fit me perfectly - as long as I stayed on the road and wanted an aero position! Seriously though, the Way Big jumps the top tube WAY up (dangerous!) and stretched me out way too much to be even remotely comfortable. My buddy who's 6'4" loves his Way Big though...
If I had to pick one or the other, I would certainly err on the side of smaller. However, I think 6'2" is right in the range for a Large.
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The point I was trying to make, was in tight technical riding, not enough standover height. 32"inseam. Don't get me wrong, I liked the the way the bike handled in most situations. Rich
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it sounds to me like a large would be right. if you are an XC rider you can use a fairly long stem if the cockpit feels a bit cramped [I doubt that it will] going big is gonna add weight and reduce stand over.