ASP Labs presents: O-ring detent for the Phantom!

[Have Blue]

I've long been pondering a better detent system for the Phantom, and bouncing ideas off of people for quite some time now.  While the 'Spyder detent under the SC block' system is pretty good, I've been wanting to come up with something that will work on all body types - SC, DF, Blockhead, whatever.

After a lot of drawing, making chips, swearing at the CAM program, and finally writing my own C program to generate the G code, I'm pleased to present a universal Phantom detent!



As you can see, the o-ring sits just to the left of the frame screw insert, nestled snugly in a 60 degree pocket, held in place by the frame itself (pump rod slot is on the other side).

And hot off the CNC, I present for your consideration:




Just tried chambering a .68 plastic round, and it works beautifully!  Just need to make 2 tweaks to the setup: 1) You'll notice a bit of chamfering in the center of the slot on the side closest to the screw insert - this is due to the depth of the cut, as I'm getting up to the shank of the cutter, and I'll need to grind it back a smidge.  2) I need to open up the width just a hair, as the o-ring is fitting in rather tightly, but this is just a simple adjustment of my code generator.

[shives]

New approach to an old problem.  But, in a world w/ detent rings and Freak Phantom barels, how is this going to match up?  I could see doing this if I didn't already have the others.  I imagine most of us do have one or the other.  Would be a good "factory" mod.

Shives

[Unimoose]

Nice idea HB!  It will certainly remove the guess work of which ring or insert to use.  Just screw the barrel in and GO, GO, GO!

[rogalxxx]

reminds me of a trracer/hornet system with a spring. it was perpendicular to the body's axis though
good work Have!

[EDDAKA]

When can people send in their phantoms?

[simon]

i like it too man.  as joe said, it's simple and it works.  i've got a feeling it's on par with the CCI rings, might not be as good as matching your barrel to your balls as far as accuracy and efficiency but it works with a mixed bag of paint better then any of the other options........

i might just have to ask you to do this.

[Keving14]

I like the concept, good work! I'd definatly send in one of my phantoms for this mod. As I'm sure you will, keep us updated.

[Have Blue]

I should be able to start doing the mod for people as soon as 1) I grind the tool shank back a hair and 2) determine the best way to hold DF bodies in the mill (will be able to to SC bodies immediately).

Big question is, what is a fair price to charge?

[Zeroack]

<Dr.Evil> One miiiiilllllllliiiiooooonn dollars</Dr.Evil>

[greenperson]

I should be able to start doing the mod for people as soon as 1) I grind the tool shank back a hair and 2) determine the best way to hold DF bodies in the mill (will be able to to SC bodies immediately).

Big question is, what is a fair price to charge?

well, how much does it cost you to do it?

[Reiner]

I should be able to start doing the mod for people as soon as 1) I grind the tool shank back a hair and 2) determine the best way to hold DF bodies in the mill (will be able to to SC bodies immediately).

Big question is, what is a fair price to charge?

well, how much does it cost you to do it?

Oh, don't ask that!  That's basically asking a man what his time is worth.   With someone like Have Blue, with all his knowledge and integrity, it might come out a whole lot more than most of us could afford.  The mod should be priced at what the market will bear.  Assuming it's enough to satisfy Have Blue, then we have a new mod on the market.

How much will the market bear?  Well in my opinion it's a whole lot more convenient than a set of detent rings and it will stop people from losing detent rings (which means saving money).  It allow people to use their pretty factory CCI barrel without modification.  It's a whole lot cheaper and more convenient than a barrel set.  All said and done, the mod certainly has value.  One million dollars is probably a tad much though.

[Aardvark]

Wow!  This looks great HB.  I'm assuming by the look of things that this is just a standard ball detent, but my question is, can this also be done as an anti-double feed?  I think the perfect setup would be one in each position. 

Let us know once you decide on a price for this one.  I might be willing to splurge if I can get any income from further CF sales...

(...pssst.  check the marketplace soon...)

[Puck]

Wow!  This looks great HB.  I'm assuming by the look of things that this is just a standard ball detent, but my question is, can this also be done as an anti-double feed?  I think the perfect setup would be one in each position. 

Let us know once you decide on a price for this one.  I might be willing to splurge if I can get any income from further CF sales...

(...pssst.  check the marketplace soon...)

Isn't that the point of a ball detent?  To prevent double feeds?  I know on a closed bolt marker it has an additional purpose of making sure the ball stays in the barrel but...

[Unimoose]

Isn't that the point of a ball detent?  To prevent double feeds?  I know on a closed bolt marker it has an additional purpose of making sure the ball stays in the barrel but...

On a cocker, 98 custom and others yes, on a phantom no.  The detent is too far forward to engage the ball when it drops in and prevent it from rolling forward allowing a second ball to drop.  If held open long enough with detents in 2 balls will fall into the breech.  The detent on a phantom only prevents roll outs.

[Have Blue]

Unimoose is correct - all systems on the Phantom (CCI rings, Freak inserts, and this o-ring) all address only the roll-out issue, as they have to be located at the front of the breech.  Eliminating double feed would need some sort of detent further back, or just don't tilt your gun down so far when pumping!

How about a straight $25 for the mod, including return shipping for US/Canada?